Love is in the air.. No, it's not!
In compensation for the last 2 posts which were all about love I will write about my disapproval of some attiudes and behaviours at my school.
Our vacation started yesterday so Thursday was the last of school before the Christmas holidays. As we are ''Egyptians'', girls and boys usually just say goodbye by shaking hands. Well, our lovely German school achieved changing that very much. Now you find all the barriers between girls and boys broken and the kisses and hugs thingy becoming more the standard than an exception.
Honestly, I think it's sad because I don't get the point of it.
Germans, no, Europeans and Americans forgot about all the limits in the relationships between the two genders.
Why do the Egyptians, no, Arabs have to follow them?
Why do we have to accept their way of life instead of sticking to our one?
Why is one called narrow-minded just because he doesn't want to be part of this American/Eurpean way of living and prefers to stay true to his principles?
It's really embarrassing when you watch Egyptians acting as if they were Europeans/Americans just to be considered as open-minded and cool. And what troubles me even more is the fact that it is not only the German school but you also find this same attitude at American and British schools.
So, looks like the West is taking over, not only in political and economical matters but also in the social ones. Cheers!
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Well, I was just thinking about the same topic a few days ago. I came up with my personal conclusion: Whoever wants to hug, it's not really my business. If it comes to me, I wouldn't hug all day long, unless there is something special,like parting with people you'll never see again.Honestly, I allow myself hugging on last school days, because it shows the 'brotherhood' and care for the one I'm hugging. Besides, as long as I know that neither one of the two parts taking place in this hugging process (lol) has second thoughts about hugging (sexual or whatever), I personally don't mind hugging on occasions, has nothing to do with copying the fellow west but with physically saying goodbye!Nevertheless I don't cosider you narrow-minded because you have another opinion about hugs. (see hw open minded i am?!)
I have a very simple question: Would you hug a guy in the middle of the streets of Cairo?
And have you ever hugged anyone of your classmates when you were still in n?
ok..I wouldn't really mind hugging anyone (a guy or a girl or a pet) anywhere as long as I know my intention. I guess it's ok as long as you know you're nt doing anything wrong and as long as you don't listen to any of the people commenting.
And yes I have hugged some of my old classmates on our last day at school.
Would you do it infront of your parents?
And how do you want to know the intentions of the person you're hugging? He can be so pure and kind but kind of too moved by the hug itself.. So?
yes, i would do it in front of my parents. And i don't hug anyone walking in the street, only people i know they won't missunderstand it.mat7awlish..
Alright Nada. The Abiball will prove that. I want you to go and hug all the people you want to hug infront of your parents and I'll be recording their reaction. :P
About the rest, your argument is very influenced by the ''tafkir el 3'arby''..
By the way, this was the best example to show that our lovely school really succeeded in twisting a lot concerning the attitudes of the students in their social behaviour.
And about saying ''it's not wrong'', depends on what you are referring to. The religion definitely regards it as wrong. :)
Egyptians are not arabs .. Egyptians are people that started getting dirty influence from the arabs since the revolution and 3abdel nassier.
West is taking over? You wish..
Arabs are taking over..
If you haven't noticed, look around and you'll see that ''Arabs'' have been already influenced by the West's ideology, eg Lebanon, Egypt, etc. when it comes to show business. What do you call that?
Just compare the black-and-white television with what we have today. A whole bunch of actresses and singers who mixed up their work.
Why are you actually comparing the societies using movies or show business? The american show business doesn't even reflect what America itself looks like.
You wanted to find out about the real identity of Egypt and mayb it was a good idea of u to think about the old days, but not at the movies ya3ney! One thing we can be sure of: Zaman, ayam el abyad weswed, kan el 3arab garab, we masr el nedeefa. Our grandmus used to be able to take public buses while wearing skirts, now it's amusing thinkin about that idea. Kan beyetla3 men 3andenna Moda, art with egyptian inovation, etc..
Now we're all arabized barbarians
But with the ongoing globalization every country tends to losing its identity anyways. However, everybody is allowed to live his style. Nowadays yefre2 3an zaman fe enn koll wa7ed momken yeb2a leeh tare2to. A girl like u has a blog and can announce her thoughts the way she likes. So stop whining about how ur country's *general* standrads got lost and live *ur* own life.
These thoughts are based on facts. Plus, which language do you speak? Isn't it called Arabic? And isn't your (our) country part of the Arab world?
So don't tell me Egyptians are not Arabs. There is this Egyptian identity which differs us from the other countries but in the end you're still regarded as an Arab.
About the globalization, a country only loses its identity when its people don't care about it any more and that is exactly what is going on here. No one is proud of being an Egyptian and instead of doing one's best to rebuilt this country everyone's thinking what's the fastest way to get out of here. (Which is quite understable under the current circumstances.)
But I think that during this miserable economic and political situation in Egypt one should at least take good care of the principles and norms.
So u're factual argumentation is based on the name of our language? The arabic language started spreading in egypt hundreds of years ago and i'm sorry, but i thought our discussion was talking about recent *social* changes. I would go max. 100 years le warra. Ok, mayb earlier Egypt had a big arabic influence, and mayb u want to use that to justify why egypt should b arabic, but my point is: I'm lookin at the changes that could be seen happening in the last century and i see that egypt was arabizes more than americanized. Generally, a lot of countries went through this americanization. Even America itself did. my point of mentioning globalization was to explain the common change in all countries. French people love their country and they still wear the same style, i (can only) guess.
Anyways i'll stop now i'm too sleepy.. (PS: i know, my english sucks)
I'm not gonna comment on nadia's post, i guess my opinion on is pretty well known to everybody :P
To RB's first comment:
Egyptians are arabs, like it or not.. And if they're not completely of arabic origin then 99% at least have some arabic blood.. And not just "since the revolution and 3abdel nassier", but since 639n.Chr., which just around a couple of years earlier if i'm not mistaken.. :P
Maybe u should have paid a little more attention in history, or do u really believe u r a 100% pure pharaonic blood?!
@ Rami Botros: First of all, you are the one who started discussing if Egyptians are Arabs or not.
Second, French people still stick to their culture and half of the terms we use when we talk about clothes and fashion design are French.
Third, your English is ok.
@ Rami: Thanks!
At least the Arabs thingy is cleared up.
About the rest, no comment :P
La2 my english did suck. If my english was ok, then people who've read my comment would've understood it and talked relevantely about it. I tried my best to express that i'm only talking about recent , social changes and then linked it to globalization, but Rami started talking about history class and 640 n.Chr. Who talked about pharaonic or arabic blood in my family or roots? Poor me was talking about recent tendecies in the area. And our tendecies DID change and got even MORE arabic in the last half century. (AGN: whether historically we're arabic or not doesn't matter to the statistical guesses i'm writing)
Of course Rami's response is only relevant to my first comment, but the conversation went on and i was kind of wishing that the words that i wrote afterwads with nadia would make clear what's i'm talking about.
I hope nadia would now understand that it's not about if the culture should b called arabic, or not. Arabs have conquered (the längst not egyptian) Egypt long time ago. It's about the tendencies. Can't find a better word.
So here's my point agn: Recently, Egypt took more tendencies from Arabs than from Americans, although its tendencies were much different earlier. So maybe u could leave the problem of americanization (which is happening everywhere), and look at that. But u seem to justify it anyway, so ..
And: These old terms of clothes are what impresses you to say they're keepin their own modes and style? You need to think more than that about it , i guess.
well well well...such an interesting topic...with interesting comments...well i am more with nada's and botros's ideas...i was like u ya nadia...till i guess 2 years ago..i started then getting da whole and da more general pic of hw things are goin on in this life...its not abt wats right or wrong...its abt wat u believe in and wat works with u...yeah i dont relate myself much to egyptians...i live here i have my family here my life is here...yeah thats right...but i knw nothing abt real egyptians...im not proud of saying this but this is simply da truth...
i live in mohandessin (e7l) i watch foreign channels i hear different music i go to foreign skools..wat abt me is egyptian...??wat abt u ya nadia is egyptian...ur only egyptian cuz this is wat is writtin in ur beta2a and passport...wat more than this nothing...we do nothing to this country and we're not willing to do anything...not bcuz we r lazy...but bcuz we cant start with such ppl livin in this country men ta7t el sefr!we were born in a time...when there is nothing to be given to us...we r a neutral country...we have no opinion abt anything...da land of contardictions...u see a gurl monakaba walking in da street and right afterwards one that is showin more than hiding her skin...u see 3arabeya carro..w jst passing right beside it one of da latest expensive cars...wat do u expect us to be?!we cant simply say we r modernized or egyptians...cuz we're simply caught between everything...
i dont mind us being americanized or modernized...but i do mind it being done in a STUPID way...we're becoming liberal very fast but we dnt knw why and wat r the negative aspects...at least ppl out there knw wat they're doin...
this country seeks everything in a diff. way...knwing nothing abt hw things go like...jst like el gawaz el 3orfy..young ppl jst seeek it to have a reason to be together...in da most stupid ways...did u hear they for example they switch a tooth and so they r married!?!?!jst disgusting!sjst shows hw much w r idiots...wat exactly do u want us to be like...like the ppl of this land!
well than i am really glad with wat i am now!cuz i am not like da ppl of this land...i mite not be following da exact principles as a muslim or an arab teenager...but yet i have nothing to worry abt cuz my mind is clear from this kind of stupidity!.......
join the club,mori.I like wt u said.We're actually caught in the middle of the crowd: trying to approximate the American Dream without offending our religion. I guess that's way better than belonging to either of the two extremes (Arabs and US) without being even convinced.
@ Mori: A country consists of a number of different classes. The people you're talking about belong to the low class while you're being part of the middle class and that means you should regard yourself as part of the Egyptian society.
About the ones you were just talking about.. A country is like a mother and its people are the children. The mother decided what these children will be like. If she gave them full care they will remember that and take care of her when they get older. If she doesn't have anything to give you can't expect anything from her children later.
This country has absolutely nothing to give as we're living in miserable circumstances.
So, you can't expect anything from these poor people because didn't anything. Unlike you, you had a good education, good life, so one expects a lot of you!
So, as an Egyptian it's your duty to do something. Even if it won't change much at once but there will be consequences and if a lot of people decided to work on that there will be definitely some change someday.
@ Nada: By allowing the world to americanize or modernize (as you call it) you, you're offending your religion because you're not sticking to its rules any more.
Anyway, gonna write a new post about that isA.
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